[Tig] Using multiple displays for coloring can be better?
Thu Oct 13 04:48:59 BST 2005
Maybe I should use an ipod to color from (and size the titles for
readability) since this a distribution medium now as well. (See
Please stop dude! Rob said that there are no "wrong" questions - I
guess there is an exception to every rule.
Clark (coloring on the crosstown express bus with Final Touch for ipod)
P.S. This is more true than you think - I have a friend who cuts a
sports show (major cable) on the plane home from the shoot and
transfers the cut to be output to an air master.
On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:01 PM, Glenn Chan wrote:
> Thanks to Sean Mckee for supporting the TIG.
> Ok how about looking at this from a different perspective- that of
> real-world problems. Maybe multiple monitors isn't a solution, maybe
> is a solution but not the best one. Regardless, how would you deal
> the following problems:
> A- Can your monitoring setup (i.e. everything, including scopes)
> what the average viewer sees?
> Some replies here argue that this is not a problem (that the target
> audience is the videophile crowd, not "Joe Beer"). This assumes that
> people who care about image quality own a display that mostly follows
> standards (i.e. they bought and can afford the right equipment, they
> to hire someone to calibrate their set or they can do it themselves).
> This would exclude colorists whose families like high contrast and
> There are some cases where your target audience is Joe Beer. For
> what if the ad agency client wants their brand color to be consistent?
> what if the client wants their product on store shelves to be "as seen
> It may be a very difficult problem because consumer TVs vary widely and
> because of other factors like metamerism and viewing environment. But
> may be prudent to try to hit the average (or mean) audience as best as
> possible. In that case, does your broadcast monitor really represent
> average viewing conditions?
> ***To clarify: I'm not suggesting it HAS to be a consumer TV that
> try to emulate what a consumer TV does. It could be the video
> of Auratones, or a high-end monitor tweaked to try to emulate
> differences in consumer TVs (i.e. increased saturation?, flesh tone
> correction, higher ambient light reflecting off the monitor, average
> surround brightness is higher?, higher color temp., etc.). Just as
> as it would work to solve this problem.
> Some argue that the solution is to get manufacturers to follow
> That would be nice, but not a solution unless it's likely to happen
> it could).
> B- Is chroma crawl a problem?
> Maybe you don't find it objectionable, in which case it's not really
> worrying about.
> But if you do find chroma crawl objectionable (i.e. on small text,
> plaid and certain fabrics, these fabrics on a moving subject), how
> you deal with it?
> Can you deal with it? I believe the solution is low pass filtering /
> blurring / reverse unsharp mask, which trades off lower resolution.
> may find that compromise to be not much of an improvement.
> For text you can certainly deal with chroma crawl.
> C- Now there are other real-world problems that may be more important
> the ones above. Multiple monitors may make your clients unhappy, which
> impacts your bottom line and makes your job less satisfying.
> So I do agree that these are very good arguments against multiple
> monitors. But at the same time, you still have the problems above.
> would/do you deal with them?
> Digression: Perhaps it's possible to use multiple monitors to help you
> make more money through product/service differentiation?? You
> differentiate yourselves from your competitors by demonstrating your
> attention to detail (i.e. you monitor for and correct chroma crawl).
> Whether or not that's true may be irrelevant if you're into making
> (hey, I like money). Just speculating here though, I don't know of
> anyone's who has tried this.
> D- Sam Holtz points out that two monitors can affect the neutral
> I do find that in practice multiple monitors can affect the
> appearance of
> another monitor. Different white points can affect your eye's white
> balance. A really bright monitor may make less-bright monitors look
> dull/dim/bad (and maybe the whites look grey). But I think this
> may have some sort of workaround/fix.
> Digression: With some color correction systems like Final Touch, you
> to use computer monitors. Does anyone find this a problem with the
> computer monitors affecting their color perception?
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