[Tig] Using multiple displays for coloring can be better?

Clark Bierbaum bierbaum
Thu Oct 13 04:48:59 BST 2005

Maybe I should use an ipod to color from (and size the titles for 
readability) since this a distribution medium now as well.  (See 

Please stop dude!  Rob said that there are no "wrong" questions - I 
guess there is an exception to every rule.

Clark (coloring on the crosstown express bus with Final Touch for ipod) 
Charlotte, NC

P.S.  This is more true than you think - I have a friend who cuts a 
sports show (major cable) on the plane home from the shoot and 
transfers the cut to be output to an air master.

On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:01 PM, Glenn Chan wrote:

> Thanks to Sean Mckee for supporting the TIG.
> --
> Ok how about looking at this from a different perspective- that of 
> fixing
> real-world problems.  Maybe multiple monitors isn't a solution, maybe 
> it
> is a solution but not the best one.  Regardless, how would you deal 
> with
> the following problems:
> A- Can your monitoring setup (i.e. everything, including scopes) 
> represent
> what the average viewer sees?
> Some replies here argue that this is not a problem (that the target
> audience is the videophile crowd, not "Joe Beer").  This assumes that
> people who care about image quality own a display that mostly follows
> standards (i.e. they bought and can afford the right equipment, they 
> know
> to hire someone to calibrate their set or they can do it themselves).
> This would exclude colorists whose families like high contrast and
> saturation.
> There are some cases where your target audience is Joe Beer.  For 
> example,
> what if the ad agency client wants their brand color to be consistent? 
>  Or
> what if the client wants their product on store shelves to be "as seen 
> on
> TV"?
> It may be a very difficult problem because consumer TVs vary widely and
> because of other factors like metamerism and viewing environment.  But 
> it
> may be prudent to try to hit the average (or mean) audience as best as
> possible.  In that case, does your broadcast monitor really represent
> average viewing conditions?
> ***To clarify:  I'm not suggesting it HAS to be a consumer TV that 
> would
> try to emulate what a consumer TV does.  It could be the video 
> equivalent
> of Auratones, or a high-end monitor tweaked to try to emulate 
> "systematic"
> differences in consumer TVs (i.e. increased saturation?, flesh tone
> correction, higher ambient light reflecting off the monitor, average
> surround brightness is higher?, higher color temp., etc.).  Just as 
> long
> as it would work to solve this problem.
> Some argue that the solution is to get manufacturers to follow 
> standards.
> That would be nice, but not a solution unless it's likely to happen 
> (which
> it could).
> B- Is chroma crawl a problem?
> Maybe you don't find it objectionable, in which case it's not really 
> worth
> worrying about.
> But if you do find chroma crawl objectionable (i.e. on small text, 
> fences,
> plaid and certain fabrics, these fabrics on a moving subject), how 
> would
> you deal with it?
> Can you deal with it?  I believe the solution is low pass filtering /
> blurring / reverse unsharp mask, which trades off lower resolution.  
> You
> may find that compromise to be not much of an improvement.
> For text you can certainly deal with chroma crawl.
> C- Now there are other real-world problems that may be more important 
> than
> the ones above.  Multiple monitors may make your clients unhappy, which
> impacts your bottom line and makes your job less satisfying.
> So I do agree that these are very good arguments against multiple
> monitors.  But at the same time, you still have the problems above.  
> How
> would/do you deal with them?
> Digression:  Perhaps it's possible to use multiple monitors to help you
> make more money through product/service differentiation??  You
> differentiate yourselves from your competitors by demonstrating your
> attention to detail (i.e. you monitor for and correct chroma crawl).
> Whether or not that's true may be irrelevant if you're into making 
> money
> (hey, I like money).  Just speculating here though, I don't know of
> anyone's who has tried this.
> D- Sam Holtz points out that two monitors can affect the neutral 
> surround.
>  I do find that in practice multiple monitors can affect the 
> appearance of
> another monitor.  Different white points can affect your eye's white
> balance.  A really bright monitor may make less-bright monitors look
> dull/dim/bad (and maybe the whites look grey).  But I think this 
> problem
> may have some sort of workaround/fix.
> Digression: With some color correction systems like Final Touch, you 
> have
> to use computer monitors.  Does anyone find this a problem with the
> computer monitors affecting their color perception?
> Glenn
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