[Tig] Tig Digest, Vol 28, Issue 6
Lawrence Towers
lawrence.towers at nyu.edu
Thu May 3 20:44:57 PDT 2007
Moviestuff makes a more primitive version of this using a standard video camera. Essentially just triggers a mouse click and using software, capturemate, captures into a quicktime file. Adopting the same principal to the optical printer, if you can find a megapixel industrial camera with quicktime driver you'd be set. Alternatively you insist on using a DSLR use Boinx software instead of capturemate. http://istopmotion.com/
---Larry
>
> I had posted this over at CML before realizing that this group is
> likely going to give me a better, or at least more informed and
> interesting response!
>
> I had been intending to buy a J-K Digital Printer
> http://www.jkcamera.com/digital_printer.htm this month as a way for my
> visual fx students to make hi resolution scans of Super16 so they'd
> have very large file size image sequences to get experience working
> with, and the problems entailed etc. This is a slow printer that uses
> a
> digital SLR in place of the bolex in the the basic JK optical setup
> that's been around for a long time. I liked it because it was under 10k
> dollars but was a ready to go all in one solution that results in
> large full res files, depending on the DSLR used.
>
> But they don't respond to emails, and when I tracked them down today,
> I gathered he's not making them anymore. He hinted that he might
> eventually if enough orders build up, but he didn't seem too enthused
> by
> that idea.
>
>
> So now I'm looking for alternates. I know there are wonderful solutions
> out there but I'm not looking to spend a few hundred thousand dollars,
> I'd have to plan years in advance to make that happen, so if that's
> your suggestion, I'll ignore it. ;-) I'm wondering how difficult it
> would be to do this on our own, with a used optical printer and a DSLR
> with a macro lens. There seem to be a lot of them (optical printers)
> just sitting around out there. I just don't know how involved or
> difficult the automation neccesary would be to synchronize the taking
> camera, and the optical printer and for recording off to a computer and
> hard drive. (Though simply recording to compact flash is an acceptable
> option and might be faster.) Speed is not a concern. Our volume is low,
> this is just to scan in short shots, not whole feature films.
>
> Steven Bradford
> Director, School of Film
> Collins College
> Tempe Arizona
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:43:49 EDT
> From: TSassoon at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tig] Using an optical printer as a scanner?
> To: tig at colorist.org
> Message-ID: <ca4.e86173c.336bdbc5 at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 5/3/07 5:35:06 PM, SBradford at collinscollege.edu writes:
>
> > I'm? wondering how difficult it would be to do this on our own, with
> a
> > used? optical printer and a DSLR with a macro lens.
> >
>
>
> Marty Mueller of MSM Design was quite interested in building a small,
> under
> $10K desktop DSLR-based scanner, using his own 35mm mechanism, when I
> talked to
> him about it last fall. I did the optical printer route a long time
> ago using
> one of John Monceaux's smaller printers, but it still turned out to be
> a
> hellava big lump of metal for what it was. Conceptually it's pretty
> easy. What's
> harder is incorporating keycode reading and batch automation.
>
>
>
> Tim Sassoon
> SFD vfx & creative post
> Santa Monica, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:06:56 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us>
> Subject: Re: [Tig] Using an optical printer as a scanner?
> To: Steven Bradford <SBradford at collinscollege.edu>
> Cc: Telecine Internet Group <tig at colorist.org>
> Message-ID:
> <Pine.SOC.4.60.0705032000040.25657 at blade.simplesystems.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Thu, 3 May 2007, Steven Bradford wrote:
> >
> > I had been intending to buy a J-K Digital Printer
> > http://www.jkcamera.com/digital_printer.htm this month as a way for
> my
> > visual fx students to make hi resolution scans of Super16 so they'd
> > have very large file size image sequences to get experience working
> > with, and the problems entailed etc. This is a slow printer that
> uses a
> > digital SLR in place of the bolex in the the basic JK optical setup
> > that's been around for a long time. I liked it because it was under
> 10k
> > dollars but was a ready to go all in one solution that results in
> > large full res files, depending on the DSLR used.
>
> A couple of years ago, I ran across a web site for someone who had
> successfully converted an old Moviola film editing machine into a film
>
> scanner using a digital SLR camera. Maybe you should pick up some of
>
> this old equipment and build your own.
>
> Here are some links regarding the Moviola:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moviola
> http://www.city-net.com/~fodder/edit/moviola.html
>
> Note that Moviolas of more recent vintage may be purchased from places
>
> like ebay since they are still useful tools.
>
> Disclaimer: Moviola sends me checks.
>
> Bob
> ======================================
> Bob Friesenhahn
> bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/
> GraphicsMagick Maintainer, http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:09:48 -0700
> From: adam berk <blumediaprojekt at nerdshack.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tig] Using an optical printer as a scanner?
> To: "Steven Bradford" <SBradford at collinscollege.edu>
> Cc: Telecine Internet Group <tig at colorist.org>
> Message-ID: <A859AD76-6784-43EE-A155-4BC1FC41CF85 at nerdshack.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> The problem with the JK Printer / DSLR combo is the life of the
> DSLR's shutter. Most of those things are only promised to work
> around 100 to 150 thousand times. So, in a perfect world, we might
> say that every DSLR body you buy lasts exactly 150,000 exposures. At
>
> 40 frames per foot for 16mm, that equates out to exactly 3,750 feet
> of film. You'd have to replace the DSLR body constantly. At this
> cost, it WOULD actually save money to send out your film for HD one-
> light scanning at a facility that offers EDU discounts.
>
>
> thanks so much,
>
> Adam Berk
> BluMedia Projekt and Creative Technology
> Smoke/Flame artist and C>me development team
> T. +13303103950
> E. adam at blumediaprojekt.com
>
> www.blumediaprojekt.com
> www.creativetechnology.com
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Steven Bradford wrote:
>
> > Thanks to Yuri Neyman (Gamma & Density) for support in 2007.
> > Guide to TIG Posting is at
> > http://tig.colorist.org/wiki3/index.php/Guide_to_TIG_Etiquette
> > ====
> >
> >
> >
> > I had posted this over at CML before realizing that this group is
> > likely going to give me a better, or at least more informed and
> > interesting response!
> >
> > I had been intending to buy a J-K Digital Printer
> > http://www.jkcamera.com/digital_printer.htm this month as a way
> > for my
> > visual fx students to make hi resolution scans of Super16 so they'd
> > have very large file size image sequences to get experience working
> > with, and the problems entailed etc. This is a slow printer that
> > uses a
> > digital SLR in place of the bolex in the the basic JK optical setup
> > that's been around for a long time. I liked it because it was under
>
> > 10k
> > dollars but was a ready to go all in one solution that results in
> > large full res files, depending on the DSLR used.
> >
> > But they don't respond to emails, and when I tracked them down today,
> > I gathered he's not making them anymore. He hinted that he might
> > eventually if enough orders build up, but he didn't seem too
> > enthused by
> > that idea.
> >
> >
> > So now I'm looking for alternates. I know there are wonderful
> > solutions
> > out there but I'm not looking to spend a few hundred thousand
> > dollars,
> > I'd have to plan years in advance to make that happen, so if that's
> > your suggestion, I'll ignore it. ;-) I'm wondering how difficult it
> > would be to do this on our own, with a used optical printer and a
>
> > DSLR
> > with a macro lens. There seem to be a lot of them (optical printers)
> > just sitting around out there. I just don't know how involved or
> > difficult the automation neccesary would be to synchronize the taking
> > camera, and the optical printer and for recording off to a
> > computer and
> > hard drive. (Though simply recording to compact flash is an
> > acceptable
> > option and might be faster.) Speed is not a concern. Our volume is
>
> > low,
> > this is just to scan in short shots, not whole feature films.
> >
> > Steven Bradford
> > Director, School of Film
> > Collins College
> > Tempe Arizona
> >
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