[Tig] Fwd: HDCAM SR 23.976 to PAL Downconvert Question

Agustin Goya | Wancamp agustingoya at wancamp.com.ar
Thu Aug 7 13:13:15 BST 2008

Hi james! Thanks for the info. The way you tell me to do it is the usual way
we do it here.
UFC-1800 Should be used in case I don't have a downconverter on HDCAM SR
My doubt was about the possibility to feed UFC with 23.98 fps video and
output 23.98 in a 25 fps 625 line with some weir d pulldown, but that don't
seems to be the case.
I Still have some doubt about UFC possibilities because in the PDF you sent
you can input 1125/23.98Psf and output 625/23.98-24Psf which might be the
one they are asking.
Thanks again.

Agustin Goya

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:40 AM, James Deluca
<James_Deluca at crestdigital.com>wrote:

>  Agustin Goya wrote:
> Subject: [Tig] Fwd:  HDCAM SR 23.976 to PAL Downconvert Question
> Hi Joe! Yes, it's very confusing.
> I've been told that the specs are referred to the setting of the panasonic
> UFC-1800.
> Maybe inside this equipment this settings are possible. I've downloaded the
> User manual og UFC-1800 and the pull-down options are None, 2:2, and 3:2.
> What I need to find now is what is the difference between None and 2:2 in
> the UFC-1800 with 23.98 input and 25 output. I think that the 23.98 output
> rate must be a mistake.
> I don't have access to such device and think I'll never have in Argentina,
> so
> maybe someone from the list could tell me it the 2:2 pulldown is the usual
> 1frame=2fields resulting in a 4.1% speed up.
> I've also checked what greg fisher sent but i can achieve that from the DS
> where the grading will be made. Once inside DS there's very easy to create
> a
> new sequence with different framerate and do a frame to frame virtual
> "Telecine" from the original sequence.
> Thanks for your help,
> I must have missed the preceeding message, but as I have both a Sony
> and a Panasonic UFC-1800P Universal Format Converter, I think I can set you
> straight.
> Although both Sony and Panasonic offer 23.98P/24P SDI interfaces, both
> actually
> record in segmented frame mode on tape due to the need to remain compatible
> with the 1080i modes of their machines design.
> To make a PAL downconversion from a 23.98/24 master recording, the operator
> lies to the machine by setting it up to play in 25HZ mode (1080i/50,
> 1080P/25).
> In machines fitted with downconversion capability, PAL should just fall out
> of the SD-SDI output.
> If not so fitted, the 1080i/50 or 1080P/25 output is fed to the UFC-1800P
> set
> for matching input, 625/25HZ output with 2:2 pulldown.
> As for the BIG question about the difference between the 2:2 setting and
> I'm sorry, but I have never seen a difference when using NONE because all
> video std def formats are interlaced and I suspect the unit would default
> to
> 2:2 even if it was set to 3:2. I haven't verified this though.
> This link shows the table of permitted format conversions of the
> Panasonic UFC-1800P.  http://tinyurl.com/6h8jlv
> James DeLuca
> Crest Digital
> Hollywood - Video Lab

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