[Tig] what are we going to do (monitors)

Daniel Perez danibam at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 30 20:35:00 BST 2008

I agree with you ... I don't like LCD monitors ... I don't think they 
are acceptable as grading monitors. And not only because of their
poor black levels. There are issues with vision angles, color temperature,
gamma ramping, ...
I didn't mean we should be showing DPs and directors the printouts of very 
precise measurements and saying, "Who are you going to believe, ..." 
We all hear and say "The blacks look too milky" ... and they probably are. 
We know they are !!! ... A colorimeter or a spectrophotometer will only 
confirm that .... and then tell us much more if a complete CIE XYZ or CIE 
L*u*v* profile is generated and compared to the video standards profiles.
What I want to see is these video gear vendors showing us the precise 
measurements when showing their products, and try to convince us this
way that their monitors are indeed acceptable grading monitors, instead 
of simply trying to trick our eyes turning on and off lights in the demo 
The perception issue lies behind a color science issue ... and there are
tools available out there ... and vendors have access to them !!!
It is a frigging nightmare ... and I agree with Mike Most when he says
he'd prefer to se a better LCD HD monitor before a new 4K one not
usable for grading.
Daniel Perez
DI - PRODURAMA Venezuela

> From: bob at bluescreen.com> To: tig at colorist.org> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:55:14 -0700> Subject: Re: [Tig] what are we going to do (monitors)> > 1824 subscribers as of March 2008> MTI Film supports the TIG> http://colorist.org/wiki3/index.php/TIGNABFS08> ====> > > >Why handle this issue as a perception issue?> > Because as far as I'm concerned, in a situation where work for hire is being> done for money, that's exactly what it is.> > It doesn't matter how precisely you measure anything if the producer,> director, or DP sitting behind you says "The blacks look too milky" and> there's nothing you can do about it.> > Showing them the printouts of very precise measurements and saying, in effect,> "Who are you going to believe, these measurements or your lying eyes?" will> only make things worse.> > I've been battling this on set (where it's MUCH tougher to control ambient> conditions than in a suite) for months now, and in the end I've had to say> "Look, I know this is not what you are used to, but this is the way everything> is headed because CRTs have been declared dead by Sony, and there's no going> back. The picture you're looking at is only valid if your head is directly> centered on the monitor, and even then the blacks will not look as deep as> you're used to seeing." > > It's just a frigging nightmare sometimes.> > --Bob> > Bob Kertesz> BlueScreen LLC> Hollywood, California> bob at bluescreen.com> > The Ultimate in ULTIMATTEĀ® compositing. > For details, visit http://www.bluescreen.com> > _______________________________________________> No personal abuse; absolutely no advertising or marketing on the main TIG mailinglist. Emergency> tig contact address is rob (at) calarts.edu> Tig mailing list> Tig at tig.colorist.org> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig

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