[Tig] workflow on "trim passes"
Jeff and Jill Jones
jeff-jones at att.net
Sat Nov 13 21:29:49 GMT 2010
I can't wait to see the DP's face when he see's that auto calibrated chip
chart look applied to every shot and he's told no tweaking is necessary.
But, hey. . . Keep the dream alive.
From: "David Bernstein" <d_bernstein2000 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:03 PM
To: <sean at screentimeimages.com>; "Rob Lingelbach" <rob at colorist.org>
Cc: <tig at colorist.org>
Subject: Re: [Tig] workflow on "trim passes"
> Sohonet http://www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG.
> Digital Vision is patron of the TIG.
> Thanks to Christian Cortez for his work on the TIG wiki.
> While the technology you describe has a certain 'wow' factor to be sure,
> can you
> explain why we as colorists should be excited about it? As someone who is
> to make a living remastering classic content it seems to me that by
> the process which I am called upon by the studios to perform on a regular
> you have eliminated much of my usefullness. With all due respect, was this
> intent, to put more colorists out of work? Or am I missing the point?
> While I
> admit that matching reference masters can be a tedious and unrewarding
> I like to think that I bring something to the table with my own skills and
> sensibilities, and hopefully the end result is an improvement over the
> not just a carbon copy.
> Perhaps you could elaborate further on how Point.360 invisions the use of
> 'Visionsary" tool?
> David Bernstein
> Restorer and Remasterer of Classic Content
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "sean at screentimeimages.com" <sean at screentimeimages.com>
>> To: Rob Lingelbach <rob at colorist.org>
>> Cc: tig at colorist.org
>> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 4:39:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Tig] workflow on "trim passes"
>> Sohonet http://www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG.
>> Digital Vision is patron of the TIG.
>> Thanks to Christian Cortez for his work on the TIG wiki.
>> At Point.360, I have led the development on exactly such automated
>>We issued a press release last month. The tool is part of our in house
>>tools under the name 'Visionary', and it's simply called Color Match. We
>>currently doing tests with some of the major studios. Among other things,
>>what it can do:
>> Match color on any clip to a reference clip. This is ideal for conforming
>>online edits to color done offline, taking classic content and rescanning
>>neg and matching to existing reference versions, matching left eye to
>>on stereoscopic 3D material, etc. The reference can be any color space,
>>resolution, different framing, etc.
>> If you shoot color charts on location, we can apply a digitally created
>>overlay it on top of the shot chart, and auto calibrate the image.
>> If you shoot for instance, the same scene in tungsten and daylight, we
>>apply the look of one to another.
>> We have developed a 'perceptually uniform' color space, that allows us to
>>easily move within and from one to another color space. A benefit of this
>>something many of you are familiar with: If you try to increase
>>you'll find that you are changing hues of certain colors, forcing you to
>>additional adjustments to counter this. Our technology maintains proper
>> Unlike some matching technology, we are doing way more than simply
>>and matching RGB histograms. We're incorporating optical flow, pixel level
>>motion vector analysis and estimation, object segmentation and
>>some other tricks, based on alien technology :O)
>> A side effect of this is that we can automatically match pan & scans from
>>color reference material (good for remastering classic content).
>> Interesting enough, Rob L (TIG moderator) and Dolby are taking an office
>> in our
>>building, so I'll be seeing a lot of Rob. Next week I'll be sure to show
>>first hand, and he can report back with an unbiased opinion. In fact, Rob,
>>you want to be in our theater Monday at 10am, we are giving a demo of all
>>then to management from our other Point.360 facilities around town.
>> Feel free to contact me directly with questions.
>> Sean McKee
>> Restoration & New Technology
>> Point.360 Digital Film Labs (formerly IVC)
>> 2777 Ontario Street
>> Burbank, CA 91504
>> Quoting Rob Lingelbach <rob at colorist.org>:
>> > Sohonet http://www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG.
>> > Digital Vision is patron of the TIG.
>> > Thanks to Christian Cortez for his work on the TIG wiki.
>> > ====
>> > On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Doug Delaney wrote:
>> >> But in my experience I've not had a
>> >> log P3/film final come across to 709/C as a color master without a
>> >> trim and
>> >> accurately reflect the original look and feel of the film.
>> > Do you think that trim could be done algorithmically, or are the
>> > various
>>variables and considerations too complex to be done without significant
>> > Rob TIG admin, colorist
>> > --
>> > Rob Lingelbach
>> > rob at colorist.org http://rob.colorist.org
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