[Tig] workflow on "trim passes"

Sean McKee sean at screentimeimages.com
Sun Nov 14 03:59:29 GMT 2010


Jeff,

In this instance the calibrated shot is merely a starting point. 



Jeff and Jill Jones <jeff-jones at att.net> wrote:

>I can't wait to see the DP's face when he see's that auto calibrated chip 
>chart look applied to every shot and he's told no tweaking is necessary. 
>But, hey. . . Keep the dream alive.
>
>Jeff Jones
>
>
>
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>From: "David Bernstein" <d_bernstein2000 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:03 PM
>To: <sean at screentimeimages.com>; "Rob Lingelbach" <rob at colorist.org>
>Cc: <tig at colorist.org>
>Subject: Re: [Tig] workflow on "trim passes"
>
>> Sohonet http://www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG.
>> Digital Vision is patron of the TIG.
>> Thanks to Christian Cortez for his work on the TIG wiki.
>> ====
>>
>> Sean,
>>
>> While the technology you describe has a certain 'wow' factor to be sure, 
>> can you
>> explain why we as colorists should be excited about it? As someone who is 
>> trying
>> to make a living remastering classic content it seems to me that by 
>> automating
>> the process which I am called upon by the studios to perform on a regular 
>> basis,
>> you have eliminated much of my usefullness. With all due respect, was this 
>> your
>> intent, to put more colorists out of work? Or am I missing the point? 
>> While I
>> admit that matching reference masters can be a tedious and unrewarding 
>> process,
>> I like to think that I bring something to the table with my own skills and
>> sensibilities, and hopefully the end result is an improvement over the 
>> original,
>> not just a carbon copy.
>>
>> Perhaps you could elaborate further on how Point.360 invisions the use of 
>> this
>> 'Visionsary" tool?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David Bernstein
>> Colorist
>> Restorer and Remasterer of Classic Content
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: "sean at screentimeimages.com" <sean at screentimeimages.com>
>>> To: Rob Lingelbach <rob at colorist.org>
>>> Cc: tig at colorist.org
>>> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 4:39:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Tig] workflow on "trim passes"
>>>
>>> Sohonet http://www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG.
>>> Digital Vision is patron of the TIG.
>>> Thanks to Christian Cortez for his work on the TIG wiki.
>>> ====
>>>
>>> At Point.360, I have led the development on exactly such automated 
>>> algorithms.
>>>We issued a press release last month. The tool is part of our in house 
>>>suite of
>>>tools under the name 'Visionary', and it's simply called Color Match. We 
>>>are
>>>currently doing tests with some of the major studios. Among other things, 
>>>here's
>>>what it can do:
>>>
>>> Match color on any clip to a reference clip. This is ideal for conforming
>>>online edits to color done offline, taking classic content and rescanning 
>>>the
>>>neg and matching to existing reference versions, matching left eye to 
>>>right eye
>>>on stereoscopic 3D material, etc. The reference can be any color space, 
>>>any
>>>resolution, different framing, etc.
>>>
>>> If you shoot color charts on location, we can apply a digitally created 
>>> chart,
>>>overlay it on top of the shot chart, and auto calibrate the image.
>>>
>>> If you shoot for instance, the same scene in tungsten and daylight, we 
>>> can
>>>apply the look of one to another.
>>>
>>> We have developed a 'perceptually uniform' color space, that allows us to
>>>easily move within and from one to another color space. A benefit of this 
>>>is
>>>something many of you are familiar with: If you try to increase 
>>>saturation,
>>>you'll find that you are changing hues of certain colors, forcing you to 
>>>make
>>>additional adjustments to counter this. Our technology maintains proper 
>>>colors.
>>>
>>> Unlike some matching technology, we are doing way more than simply 
>>> analyzing
>>>and matching RGB histograms. We're incorporating optical flow, pixel level
>>>motion vector analysis and estimation, object segmentation and 
>>>recognition, and
>>>some other tricks, based on alien technology :O)
>>>
>>> A side effect of this is that we can automatically match pan & scans from 
>>> the
>>>color reference material (good for remastering classic content).
>>>
>>> Interesting enough, Rob L (TIG moderator) and Dolby are taking an office 
>>> in our
>>>building, so I'll be seeing a lot of Rob. Next week I'll be sure to show 
>>>him
>>>first hand, and he can report back with an unbiased opinion. In fact, Rob, 
>>>if
>>>you want to be in our theater Monday at 10am, we are giving a demo of all 
>>>this
>>>then to management from our other Point.360 facilities around town.
>>>
>>> Feel free to contact me directly with questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Sean McKee
>>> Director
>>> Restoration & New Technology
>>> Point.360 Digital Film Labs (formerly IVC)
>>> 2777 Ontario Street
>>> Burbank, CA 91504
>>> 818-569-4949
>>>
>>> Quoting Rob Lingelbach <rob at colorist.org>:
>>>
>>> > Sohonet http://www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG.
>>> > Digital Vision is patron of the TIG.
>>> > Thanks to Christian Cortez for his work on the TIG wiki.
>>> > ====
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Doug Delaney wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>  But in my experience I've not had a
>>> >> log P3/film final come across to 709/C as a color master without a 
>>> >> trim and
>>> >> accurately reflect the original look and feel of the film.
>>> >
>>> > Do you think that trim could be done algorithmically, or are the 
>>> > various
>>>variables and considerations too complex to be done without significant 
>>>colorist
>>>attention?
>>> >
>>> > Rob  TIG admin, colorist
>>> > --
>>> > Rob Lingelbach
>>> > rob at colorist.org    http://rob.colorist.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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